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mubarak -- force mubarak out now you would have to have elects within 60 days. and you -- elections within 60 days. you don't have opposition parties aside from the muslim brotherhood who are set up to compete in any kind of election. you are asking for trouble. i think he's trouble to manage a difficult situation. >> sean: muslim brotherhood is a bad idea. my first cable interview with donald rumsfeld tomorrow night. thanks for being with us. >> greta: tonight, is president mubarak about to make a run for it? breaking news about where he could be headed. we take you live to cairo. secretary of state clinton and senators mccain, lieberman and graham all go on record. >> plus, president obama goes one-on-one with bill o'reilly. >> first, theyczfg were beaten, stabbed and nearly murdered in cairo. two of our colleagues, correspondent greg palkot and video journalist olaf wiig
were attacked. tonight hear from them and see their lacerations and bruises. they will tell you about the violent and chaotic streets where they were attacked to their rescue. see what country came to their aid first. no, it want the united states. >> main street was a total war zone many smoke, rocks thrown, molotov cocktails, flame, live fire. >> i got grabbed and i thought, that moment i thought okay i'm really now in trouble. it was immediately for the four or five people grabbing hold of you. >> people are all over him within 30 seconds, people are all over us. that's when our life or death struggle began. >> it is the most dangerous situation i've been in for fox news and i've been here 15 years. >> moments where you do not think you are going to get out of it. you think this is your last
moments. >> were you thinking that? >> yes. i looked into the crowd. i was looking for a sympathetic face. i wanted to look, find somebody who looked horrified about the fact i was getting beat . i looked out and found that person and grabbed hold of the lapel of his jacket and hung on. you've got to help me and hung on to him. and put my head down and pushed forward and kept pushing and pushing. the whole time you are getting pummeled. you are still thinking, i'm okay, just stay on my feet, i'm okay. >> the whole time you are getting mum pelled with -- pummeled with open hands, sticks, fists, rocks. >> according to the doctors i've got lacerations of the scalp, five deep. one came close to an artery that caused a lot of blood. i was bleeding all over. >> do you remember any of the hits? >> i remember one hit right here, which blanked my vision
to some degree, blanked my left hearing, hearing from my left ear to some degree that's when i thought i was going down. >> i got two good-sized lacerations on the back of my head. smaller one at the front stab wound in the back of my leg. my back is -- looked like a piece of modern art, black and blue. >> he went down. >> tripped over twice and on the ground and looking up and seeing people's feet around you. i thought, i've to get myself off the floor. if i stay here, i'm dead. because if you -- people start kicking you, you know you really are finished. >> again and again and again, the head was the target. in that crowd of thousands there were a couple who said no. it is not a fantastic idea to kill a foreigner in cold blood right here, right now. we are going to help and be a
little civilized. >> egyptian soldiers standing there with guns. soldiers watching, as the two of us are being pummeled, close to our death, doing absolutely nothing. >> i looked at him and he was literally completely covered head-to-toe in blood and i knew i probably looked the same. but he was still there and talking. >> at any point, between reaching the street and getting to the armored personnel carrier, did you think i'm living the last moments of my life? >> i kept telling myself i'm sore but i'm still okay. you know, you would feel somebody hit and you are like i'm still okay. i don't -- i thought that i was in imminent danger of losing my life, but i didn't think i was going to do. -- going to die. >> the moment we stepped in that hospital, not the moment
maybe 10 minutes in, we were under virtual house arrest by the egyptian government. we had an armed soldier with us from the moment we were in there. as i was getting my cat scan i was being accused of being an israeli spy. i had my passport taken. >> we spent the rest of the night with the soldier keeping a very close eye on what we were doing. >> locking our door from the outside. this is the hospital room. government and the thugs in my mind in my feeling were one. >> what happened next? >> we were thrown into the back of an old jeep. blind folded, at that point before we ended. >> you are hearing rattling of guns and people moving stuff around and you know, you can't help but sort of think, what are they doing? surely they are not going to -- it didn't make sense they are going to pull us out and shoot us. >> they opened the back of the jeep and lock-step us with the
blindfold still on. sat us down in three plastic chairs. stood us up, sat us down. played with us. finally, they took the blindfolds off. there was one guy with a beaten up old camera, another guy with a still camera and our mugshots with were taken and taken. >> did they interrogate you? >> they didn't say anything that was the bizarre thing about it. this weird -- what were they getting out of that? i have absolutely no idea. they put the blind back on. walked us out to the back. put us back into the back of this jeep. at that point, i thought okay we are going to be dagged off to some political prison and our governments are going to fight for our release for whoever long. they us out of the car. -- they got us out of the car. and the ambassador was like get in the back of the car we are leaving as fast as we can. you guys are fine. you are safe. we are leaving.
>> the treatment of journalists in cairo over that period of time was strongly criticized by the u.s. state department. what is your sense of what happened to journalists in that 48 hour period? >> i think it is the wild flailings of a regime that didn't know what to do that was out of control. >> it all makes sense they were angry. they were pissed off that they had lost the physical battle and the pr battle on that first friday. you could imagine that all those angry is. and all those angry policemen had come back on to the streets. and they are we are going to get those protesters. by the way, if we see any of those press that's -- that made us look so bad, we'll sort them out too. >> you wrote a blog friday. obviously, while you had a lot of concerns and probably found what happened to you to be reprehensible, you also had
some good things to say for the egyptian people. >> prior to the day we saw impassioned, articulate english-speaking people from all walks of life, expressing things that americans would be very happy to express. we want democracy. we want freedom of speech. then, when the trouble started, we were touched by something else. every step of the way there were some egyptians who said no, we will not return to the stone age. this is uncivilized behavior. time after time, people helped us. in no way do we sit here and indict the egyptian people at all. >> all the way along we met with huge kindness. but absolute moments of complete brutality. >> what kept you going through that whole fay lax -- phalanx? >> thing that possibly you could survive. you get to that point you are
losing energy. you are losing that fight. i was at that edge. >> i think mostly adrenaline. i've a lot to live for. i was not ready to i that day. i have a beautiful wife and loving family i just wanted to get back. >> greta: coming up, breaking news in egypt. is president mubarak getting cagey? bribing protesters. >> secretary of state hilary clinton goes on the record. what is going on now in egypt is important and dangerous. secretary clinton describes it ominously, calling egypt the perfect storm. >> huge fumble at the super pole. do not blame the players. ♪
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>> greta: it is just about daybreak in egypt. day 15 of protest beginning. will it bring more bloody violence today? will it bring president mubarak's resignation? let's go straight to egypt where fox news correspondent is reporting live. dominic? >> reporter: greta, news that we could be hearing president mubarak perhaps moving into exile rather soon. the website is saying talks are underway between egypt,
germany and the united states to fan a place of exile for him in southwest germany there's a clinic there better known for its former nazi concentration camp. this is not confirmed. there have been similar rumors published in the "new york times". mubarak is 82-years-old. he has cancer. his illness is a good excuse, if not alibi for him to move out of the country or be moved out of the country. by removing him, he would have to be gone officially on medical leave. this is what is being discussed. he would have to hand his powers over to the new vice president omar suleiman. he would become a president in exile. how that would appease the protesters, we'll see. but he would be gone from this country. that would be somebody they would welcome. they did something similar for the shah of iran like this, decades ago that seemed to smooth the transition there. what we need to see now to see
whether this is going to happen is reports about mubarak's diminishing health for the next few days that would seem to confirm this is definitely a plan being made to get him out of the country and the succession to happen. >> greta: after the shah of iran did leave sometime later it was catastrophic what happened. all the americans taken hostage and much more. let me ask about the government pay raise. some are seeing this as a bribe. what can you tell me about the pay raise? >> reporter: he's basically given government workers a 15% pay raise some six million people. the first pro-government protester to come out people shifting from state owned companies before the violence started that we saw a few days ago, of course it begs the question why is he paying people who have already got jobs we the biggest trigger in this whole crisis has been unemployment?
it seems strange he's doing that. maybe he's buying support. it is not going to go down well with the protesters who want job opportunities. what the strategy is remains to be seen. >> greta: thank you dominic. secretary of state clinton goes on the record. we caught up with her in germany yesterday in a security conference. we wanted to know what she knows about egypt and what we should expect. she tells what she believe is the root of the uprising. it may have something to do with social networking. >> later senator mccain says the u.s. s to take some blame for the egyptian crisis. what does that mean? senators mccain, lieberman and yellowbook has always been crucial to your business, but now, to get it really cooking, you need a little website development. some transparent reporting, so you know it's working.
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>> greta: secretary of state hilary clinton calling for democratic change in egypt. at the center of the obama's administration plans to convince the government to make critical reforms. we caught up with secretary clinton at the munich security conference. nice to see you. >> great to see you greta. >> greta: expected this conference would be about the start treaty and i was. you exchanged the ratification documents with russia. but egypt has sort of gone to the top of the topics.
president mubarak says the protests and revolution will destabilize leading to a radicalized fundamentalist government there. scare tactics or possible? >> greta, first i think it is important to recognize that for 30 years american governments republican and democratic administrations certainly this administration unpresident obama, have urged the government of egypt to do more on economic reform and political reform. because we believe that, that kind of effort to department advertise and create economic opportunity -- knock advertise and create economic opportunity, it is not a choice between democracy, open markets and stability and security. it does have got together. what we are seeing now is that the egyptian people themselves are particularly motivated by
young people, demanding more rights. the united states stands for democracy. we stand for human rights and freedom. we want to see an orderly transition. we want to see the process that has begun realized concrete steps that will lead to constitutional reform. the establishment of a set of political laws and regulations that will end in a free and fair election for a new president. the united states is not like any other country from the outside, making the decisions. but we are very clear, no violence by the government. peaceful protests. orderly transition. we know the outcomes we seek. >> greta: two issues with that. the protesters they are not anxious to have this orderly transition. they want orderly, they want it now. they don't want president mubarak to be in office until
september. the second thing is as we publicly state we support the protesters and their quest for orderly tans circumstance we send a message to our ally -- allies we don't necessarily stick with you. how walk that line? >> first of all, i think egypt is a great country with a very storied past of 7,000 years. this is one of those moments in is history where the egyptian people must themselves determine their future. we have made it one of our principles in responding to what they they themselves are doing that the voices of the protesters demanding freedom are legitimate and should not be suppressed. and in fact, should be listened to. but we recognize, as did many of those who are now stepping forward from the opposition,
civil society, political factions, that the country has to come together and reach an agreement about how best to proceed. there are many ways this could go that are not in the best interests of egypt, the region or the united states. at the end, we foe we want to see a peaceful -- we know we want to see a peaceful and orderly transition. how we get there is going to be up to the egyptians. with respect to our allies in the region last month in doha, before tunisia, before egypt, i said that we saw the foundations of a lot of these governments sinking into the sand in the region. because, what what was possible for them to maintain authoritarian regimes 10, 15, 20 years ago is no longer possible. technology has changed that. people are communicating. they know what goes on, far beyond their borders. particularly young people. what is so remarkable and what
i called a perfect storm, is that we have technology communication with a youth bulge. some of these countries have 50% to 2/3 of their population under 30 five, 30, with a very -- under 35, 30 with a very clear problem in the economies of these countries. they are not producing enough jobs. young people get out of college they can't find work that is a recipe for unrest. it is not motivated by any ideology or any extremism, yet. this has been organic. it came initial fully tunisia from a college graduate whose only job he could find was selling fruits on the street and then he was harrassed by the police. and he set himself on fire. that literally ignited a revolution in tunisia. that spread to egypt with young people looking at each other saying i can't get a job there's so much corruption. i cain fant my way in -- i
can't find my way in anywhere because the he won't let me. people went to the streets this is something i talked about a month ago now acted out in real-time. the united states very much supports the aspirations. but we know each country will have to find its own path forward. obviously, we want to see end results that are not destabilizing. not giving safe haven to extremism that produce a better outcome for the people who are asking for it. >> greta: how do we do that? let's say they got what they want today, mubarak leaves, they have election and elect one that is not something that is in our strategic interests and suddenly we've got a situation like iran. number one is that a probability or possibility? number two, then what do we do? >> well, we care deeply that what comes next in egypt
respects international agreements, including the peace treat with israel. that peace treaty has kept egyptians and israelies from dying and from having to watch continuous war for 30 years. >> greta: we like it, we think it is important. what if the next group doesn't? >> i think number one, we obviously would like to see responsible in egypt that recognizes it not in their interests to tear up a peace treaty while they are trying to rebuild an economy, open up opportunities for young people and engage in political reform that -- >> greta: how do we do it? >> look, we have a choice. we can pretend this not happening and wish that you know twitter and facebook and all those things had never been invented that is not an option. we can turn our backs on our own values. we do stanford democracy, human rights, we always have. we do -- we do business with lots of governments who we do
not see eye-to-eye on but there are strategic reasons we do. or we can do what i think president obama has well done, which is to say here are the principles that we believe should be followed during this transition. we cannot reach in and move the players around on the chessboard. that has to be an egyptian-led, egyptian-aren't process. everybody recognizes that. we can hold out the promise of what does lie in the future. most of the people who began to demonstrate in egypt were driven by a desire for more political freedom and economic opportunity. the united states is very good about helping countries realize economic opportunity. we think we can offer that. we are also very good at helping countries as we did after the berlin wall fell, in moving from authoritarianism to democracy. it is not perfect. it is not predictable. but i think it is a better course for us to follow.
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the munich security conference. senators nice to see all of you. on the way to talk to you i picked up two newspapers in the lobby of the hotel. i can't read german but i recognize that picture. it is what going on in egypt. how serious is this? >> in modern times we haven't seen anything like that. it certainly heralds a new day. which is going to require new policies towards this part of the world. as a matter of fact, all parts of the world. because it won't be confined just to the middle east. >> greta: senator graham how much has egypt consumed the conference here? >> a lot. if you had predicted on christmas day that by valentine's day that mubarak the ruler of egypt for 30 years had announced that he was going to leave that the president of tunisia who had been ruling that country for
30 years, that the president of yemen said he's not going to stand for election. all that would happen by february 14th, people would think you were crazy. the face paced change has been fueled by facebook, social networking. egypt to me is an opportunity for really a new start in the mideast between us and the arab people, the egyptian people, the army is key here. i've got one simple message if the egyptian army is watching fox news, make sure you do not lose the reputation you worked hard to earn among your people. you are the group within egypt that can hold the country together to order out of chaos. as senator mccain said today, as americans we need to relook and refocus how we do business in the mideast. sometime you have to do business with people who have values you don't agree with. we need to refocus and reshape our relationships with other rejeeps. >> briefly, -- regimes.
>> briefly, we are living through days of history here. nothing like this has happened in the arab world. i'm leaving out iran because iran is a person not a country. in tunisia and egypt we've seen popular uprisings. my reaction is, it is thrilling, but also unsettling. it is thrilling in the sense that the people of egypt are out demanding their human rights. unsettling, because we don't know where going to end. i think we have to do everything we can to make sure that it doesn't end with one small group, either in the government or in the protesters controlling the next egyptian government. the government of egypt has to be select by all the voters of egypt in a free and fair election. >> egypt is not just another middle eastern country. egypt is the heart and soul of
the arab world. one out of every four people who live in this region are egyptians. i don't have to review with you the history of this country and the cultural and historical importance. so whether it happened in tunisia is certainly a shaking event. startling event. but what is happening in egypt is without precedent. we have to adjust to it. yes, we will take some of the blame for not having pushed harder for human rights and democratization and freedom and all those things. but we now are presented with a situation where we're gonna have to act quickly. the longer these demonstrations last, the more likely it is that a radical element will hijack what is really a spontaneous movement. >> greta: you look at the pictures they are gripping. you watch video and you can
stop looking. if you are sitting back home and trying to get food on the table, get your kids off to school homework, whatever -- other than the higher moral issue like human rights why should it matter to them? >> i think after 9/11, people get it. people understand back home what happens when we disengage. what happened in afghanistan when the russians left and the taliban filled the vacuum. what would happen in egypt at the -- if the muslim brotherhood took over? what would the world be like if israel is not completely surrounded by enemies, not people who are willing to tolerate the state of israel? i'm in a very red conservative state. the people in south carolina understand the world is connected. but it is incumbent upon us to let people back home know that afghanistan has been nine and 10 years in the making. that we've lost over 1,000
troops and it cost us 100 billion dollars a year. the idea within 10 years of the taliban being taken down, they could come back. to think that wouldn't affect our future. my plea is to unstand that we've been getting it right for one year in afghanistan. general petraeus has the inputs with general mcchrystal now to bring success. we finally have enough troops. so it does matter how it ends in egypt. >> greta: the idea of the taliban raised another issue. prime minister cameron of the u.k. today gave a speak causing some stir. he says in part, multi-culturalism has failed and condemns britain's long standing policy of multi-culturalism and says it is a failure. he's calling for better integration of young muslims to combat homegrown extremism. he said it is time for a change of policy towards gritin's ethnic and religious
minority saying hands off tolerance of those who eject western values that has failed. i guess -- who reject western values that has failed. fort hood, political correctness. >> i thought prime minister cameron give a great speech. i was straight talk. senator collins and i were pleased because i was similar to our report on fort hood and it brought it home there. was too much -- there's still too much of a concern in our government about calling our enemy in the war on terrorism what it is. it is not a single group. it is an ideology, a group of a religion, i thought cameron was great in saying that. political correctness has a cost. at fort hood it cost the lives of 13 americans. i think he's right. what we've got to tart getting back to, we've been better at in the u.s. than people here
in europe that is building a community, yes you are an ethnic american, but the noun is american. you are an american and part of a broader community, broader family. and you never turn against it and become a homegrown terrorist. >> that's the double-edged sword too. there's certain human rights we are going to pursue many we are not going to spend money in afghanistan, iraq or any other place to have a trial disposed of in a tribal situation where you be get out of the rape charge if the father is willing to give a daughter. we are not going to be part of that. we have to understand we we go into these countries there's a tribal tradition that we're not trying to americanize the world. we are trying to create a stable afghanistan for representative government take hold and they will have different values than we do. in the united states, you want to be an american, then become an american. but when we help people throughout the world, we have to understand that there are
differences in culture. and the goal is not to turn every country into jeffersonian democracy. the goal is to make sure it is stable, representative, rule of law-based with a cultural component so we create allies not enemies and we can be safer. >> we can for the sake of political correctness allow a situation to evolve where it endangers the lives of our fellow citizens. it is a careful balance. many of us would argue that weaver erred on the side of being politically correct. i think chairman of the homeland security committee has seen that on several occasions. that the evidence was there, but we were very reluctant to pursue it further because of fear of charges of being discriminatory in one way or another. >> we don't do any favor to muslim americans, thousands of whom serve honorably in our military, by refusing to call
our enemy in the war against terrorism what it is. it is not islam. it is violent islamist extremism, a political ideology. until we start saying that this is the old maxim of war, first know your enemy call wait it is and then you can defeat it and then we can work with muslim-americans to stop the spread of homegrown terrorism, radicalization of americans against our country. that's what has been happening too much in the last couple of years. >> greta: much more of the you -- of the interview with the three senators. you will see it later this week. bill o'reilly offering president obama a come minute. what is his come minute to the president -- what is his compliment to the president? we have it next ú@ [ female announcer ] enjoy a complete seafood dinner for two
>> from america's news headquarters, i'm ainsley earhardt. a startling new report on the number of people killed during the violent protests in egypt. the u.s.-based human rights watch now puts the death toll at nearly 300. and one cairo researcher thinks that figure's likely to climb. the casualty total includes a significant number of deaths beyond the capitol city. human rights watch counts visits at hospitals in cairo,
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taliban will not be retaking afghanistan. >> bill: you can say that with surey? >> the president: i can't say anything with 100% certainty. i have confidence that our troops have done an incredible amount of work. they are on the offensive rather than the defensive. we are starting to transition so that afghanistan security forces can start taking over. the taliban are still going to be an element in afghanistan. but, what we've said to them and what we'll say to i think everybody in the region, as long as you respect the afghan constitution. as long as you lay down arms and are not involved in the violent overthrow of the government, then those of you that want to participate in the political process, you should. >> bill: at the end of the year we'll have almost all troops out of iraq. who shows up a couple weeks ago this thug, this iranian guy he comes back. looks like iran is waiting for us to leave and is going to try to dominate iraq.
see it that way? >> the president: no, i don't. if you look at the government formation process. democracy up and running. you've got a lot of squabbling between all the factions in iraq like here in the united states, but they haven't resorted to arms. the tourism ministry, they wanted defense all the big fancy stuff. >> bill: i'm worried that iran, a more powerful nation than iraq stars to foment turmoil -- starts to foment turmoil people are worry. >> the president: iran is a big neighbor those two countries will have a relationship. iraq, i'm confident is going to be able to maintain its independence and a strong partnership with the united states. >> bill: i thought you gave a great speech in arizona on the civility factor. >> the president: thank you. >> bill: i don't think people are going to spoken. i think civility the media and politics going to continue to
go downhill. >> the president: why is that? >> bill: there's such division teen conservatives and liberals and there's a lot of money to be made if you can polarize people in the media it sounds good. here's my question, how much damage do you believe the media is doing by participating in this rancor? people have accused me of that. >> the president: i don't think it helps. >> bill: how much damage is it doing to the country? >> the president: i think over the long term, it is making it harder and harder for the sensible center to get together to solve problems. i that i is damaging. we just talked about spending. we want to cut spending. a lot of republicans want to cut spending. in order to do it everybody is going to have to make compromises because everybody wants to cut what the other guy likes. they don't want to cut what they like. so you've got to make tough decisions. the only way is if you are
willing to cut the other side a little slack. the media, unfortunately, if i have a nice talk with john mccain and we're agreeing to do something, nobody is going to report on that. but if there's an argument, then that's what gets reported. as a consequence, i think a lot of politicians think the way i get on the news is if i insult somebody. not rewarding politicians for simply insulting the other side rather rewarding them for coming up with sensible solutions. >> greta: president obama's last time on the factor was 2008 before he was elected president. by the way, we keep asking for president obama maybe he thinks we are tougher than bill? i don't think so. love to have president obama. >> who can forget that infamous wardrobe malfunction at the super bowl a few years ago. it was so examine rated. there was another malfunction this year.
whose -- throughout the perilous fight ♪ what so proud did we watch as the twilight's last gleaming ♪ >> greta: the singer is now saying i could only hope that everyone could feel my love for this country. aguilera has performed the national anthem at several games, including last year's final and did it correctly. so give her a break. it could be worse they could have asked sean hannity to sing. have you heard sean sing? >> the black-eyed peas during the halftime singer will i am give a shout out to the president. ♪ ♪ ♪
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super bowl yesterday but a lot of them didn't care about the game, just the commercials. here are a few of the top picks. first a car commercial with an adorable dark lord. ♪ [ music ] . >> but we really like animals here at on the record like the pug determined to get his paws on some doritos. and finally some very smart dogs... >> hey, guys...